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the ramblings of an ecclesial dreamer
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"We must not be afraid to dream the seemingly impossible if we want the seemingly impossible to become a reality."
Vaclav Havel
My name is James Mills.
I am married to Janell and
we have three kids--Jarod, Matthew and Teryn.
We live in Parker, Colorado.
In addition to this blog you can find out more about my ecclesial dream at Knowtown
or Missio Dei.
If you would like to add your thoughts to a rambling,
click the "Talk Back" link at the end of each post.
If you would like to talk IM (MSN) me or send me an email at: jmills@knowtown.com
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Andrew Hamilton
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Dry Bones Dance
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Jason Smith
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Maggi Dawn
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Top ten...
I have been leading a small group through the Ten Commandments. I have pinched a lot of the content from a great series that Rob Bell (pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church) did and throwing in stuff from Stanley Hauerwas and Will Willimon's book The Truth About God and a few other books as well. This has been life changing stuff for me. I feel like for the first time I understand how powerful this special revelation from God is to us. It lays out beautifully what it means to be a people of God. I have enjoyed sharing this with everyone I can.
So now there is all this stuff in the news about the Ten Commandments monument in an Alabama courthouse. Today I stumbled across this article on how irrelevant the Ten Commandments are. This article breaks my heart. Because so many of us Christ followers do not understand the commandments we portray them in a poor way. If we miss the point how can we expect a "secular" journalist to get it? It is no wonder that articles like this can be written. I hope that the small group that is studying this with me will learn to live lives that are faithful and we can begin to change peoples perceptions in a small way.
posted by Ecclesial Dreamer @
8/28/2003 08:50:00 PM
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Thursday, August 28, 2003  |
Chattanooga on my mind...
Less than to weeks till the Emergent gathering. Janell and I are both going and Scott will be there as well. I plan to blog about it everday while we are there. I can't wait.
posted by Ecclesial Dreamer @
8/27/2003 09:35:00 PM
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Wednesday, August 27, 2003 |
virtually real life...
Here is a fun and interesting article about Real life. Certainly adds an interesting perspective.
On a related note, this article puts an entirely different spin on things. Seems there are those who are looking for a virtual god in virtual worlds since they are not able to find a real God in the real world. We are living in strange days.
posted by Ecclesial Dreamer @
8/26/2003 09:04:00 AM
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Tuesday, August 26, 2003 |
The chicken and the egg...
I am currently leaning against the idea that the "gathering" or congregation is the central idea for many of the reasons already mentioned in earlier posts. But having said that, I still want to gather with other believers. I long to be part of a community owned by God. I desire to be connected to the continuity of others who are part of the historic Christian faith. But what does that look like when we break it down to a local level? What will these gatherings look like? Do we younger evangelicals need to make our own way or can we find a way to fit in existing local expressions of the gathering? Will it be liquid or solid? These are all questions I ask from time to time as an ecclesial dreamer. Difficult questions to be sure. Here are a couple of thoughts that have helped me:
First, (again, courtesy of Jason Clark) is the question, how many new disciples are you making? I am so guilty of being too theoretical in my ecclesial dreams sometimes. It is very easy to talk about structural, methodological and theological changes we will make. We can, and should, talk about mission statements, visions and values but how do we move out of the talking stage? Like so many others I talk too, I have read the books and "know" how to design cutting edge, post-modern gatherings. But in the end, if no NEW disciples are being made then what good is it? A group of (mostly disgruntled) Christians gathering together -whether liquid or solid-does not make "church". The Great Commission does not call us to gather but to make disciples. To gather or not to gather is not the question. The real question is what kind of gathering do we need to have to make disciples?
Second, let's not try to define the proper gathering and then go do it. Instead, let's just begin gathering and making disciples and see what kind of community develops out of that. I'm all for talking about ecclesial dreams but let's talk about them the morning after they actually happen and not the night before. This idea comes courtesy of John Howard Yoder's book, Body Politics:
"The book of Acts does not report that the apostles remembered the so called 'Great Commission' and conscientiously set about obeying it. Nor do we seethem thinking about the lost status of individuals whom they had not yet reached. The event of ingathering came first. Only later did the Twelve think about it. Only still later did they 'send' someone. The theology to explain the rightness of the ingathering was imposed by the events, which it explained after the fact. The Twelve did not set out to obey the Great Commission; they talked about the risen Lord and they broke bread together in their homes and thus found themselves together first with Hellenized Jews and then even with Gentiles. Then a theology had to be unfolded to make sense of the ingathering, and adjustments in church order had to be made to affirm and guide it. The action of mission was prior to the theory about it." (page 37-38)
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8/25/2003 07:12:00 AM
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Monday, August 25, 2003 |
“Telos” more important than gathering...
I am still pulling some thoughts together on this whole topic and hopefully will get some thoughts from Scott Holden to post as well. In the meantime I need to reaffirm that Jason’s thoughts on this are very good and very healthy for anyone wrestling with these decisions so check out his blog and download his talk if you haven’t already. In the meantime, check out this excerpt from the book that Scott gave me in an attempt to ruin my life. You can find this on page 32-33 of Jonathan R Wilson’s Living Faithfully in a Fragmented World: Lessons for the Church from MacIntyre’s After Virtue:
“Like these ancient Israelites, the people of God in the Western church have forgotten that the purpose of worship is to teach us to glorify God and enjoy Him forever in the whole of our lives. Because our practice of worship has been severed from this end, and because our own lives are governed by competing, incompatible ends, our worship becomes disordered, even when it appears orderly and enthusiastic. As a result of this disordering, we try to make worship serve other purposes. So, for example, if we accept another version of the human telos - that we are to be happy, well-adjusted people — then we expect worship to be a kind of mass therapy session that makes us ‘feel better’. Or, if we believe that the human telos is to be successful professionally, then we expect worship to be a kind of mass pep rally that energizes us for the week ahead. We can even distort the purpose of worship by believing that the human telos is a happy, healthy family. And so we expect worship will be ordered to that end.
…Worship will indeed make us feel better and encourage us; but when properly ordered, worship places these results within a coherent community and tradition, not a fragmented, incoherent life. Properly ordered worship will engage the whole of our lives. That is, properly ordered worship integrates all of life into a coherent whole so that what we confess and enact in communal worship extends over the rest of our lives. Because our culture and our lives are so fragmented, this demand for coherence appears strange and entails pain and struggle. But to live faithfully in a fragmented world requires just this kind of ordering in our worship.”
So I ask, what is the telos to our gatherings? I suggest that too often it is to get a bigger, better gathering or to build resources to pay for professional clergy. I think those longing for a deeper. telos will reject the gathering that results from those disordered “worship gatherings”. On the other hand, if the telos is right than the resulting package will draw people in whether it is purpose-driven, emergent, liquid or solid. Could it be that there is no difference between a Sunday gathering or a backyard gathering when the telos is in the right place?
Just some thoughts. More to come…
posted by Ecclesial Dreamer @
8/21/2003 03:03:00 PM
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Thursday, August 21, 2003 |
"water" church...
Still putting together some thoughts on congregations, gatherings and emerging ministry but I can't help but think that "solid" and "liquid" are both too narrow to define church. Sometimes Church is solid like ice and sometimes it is liquid like water. Then there is the need for it to be vapor, like steam. the flexibility to be whatever it needs to be is a great strength.
More soon...
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8/20/2003 12:06:00 AM
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Wednesday, August 20, 2003 |
Ice, water and steam (from solid to liquid….)
As mentioned earlier, Jason Clark’s thoughts on community and valuing the congregations have been very helpful for me over the past several months. He is challenging me to a healthier view of the “modern” church. If you have not read the thoughts on his blog or listened to his talk on Pete Ward’s book you should. I appreciate Jason’s efforts to keep continuity between those who see themselves as younger evangelicals and those older evangelicals who get linked to modernity. For me it has been very helpful and given me a healthier view of the church and I thank him for that. It cannot comment too much on Jason’s remarks about Ward’s book because I have not yet read that book. But much of what Jason speaks about in the discussion echoes the comments he makes on his blog and I think I can speak to those comments.
Here are some concepts that I am still wrestling with. There are many who are rejecting the notions of congregation and Sunday gatherings. One possible reason is that many younger evangelicals see congregations and Sunday gatherings as axiomatic to modernity and since they are against all things “modern” these things become casualties of baby with the bathwater thinking. While I understand this idea I don’t agree. The ecclesial dreamers I talk to are not against congregations or Sunday gatherings, nor do we see those things as axiomatic to modernity. So I do not think modernism is behind the dislike of the gathering. More likely it is that these gatherings have become the central focus of most churches. So in an attempt to move this from the focus I think the pendulum is swinging as far away from the gathering as possible.
To illustrate this we only need to look at how many people still measure successful ministry. I have blogged earlier about F’N Loud and the fact that we have a large group of unchurched people coming to these events. I dream of finding a way to communicate the gospel to these people and making disciples but how will I do that? How will I know if I am successful? There is a lot of subtle and not so subtle pressure from various people in church to get these kids into “church”. My question is why? Why is it not OK for a group to gather and listen to punk or metal music and form relationships but it is OK to try to gather them in a controlled setting on Sunday. Why is ministry too often evaluated by how many people come to your Sunday gathering? (Jason has a great corrective to this. He asks "how many new believers do you have?" Much healthier question in my opinion) The problem is not the gathering but that the gathering has become central.
Which leads to the next question, why has the gathering become central? Here is my opinion: we make the gathering central in order (1) to control what happens and (2) to collect the money to keep the “package” running and pay the salaries of the ministry professionals. I am tired of pastors who complain that “their people just do not get that they are to do the work of the ministry” but then control the gathering like a general. Here is where the link to modernity comes in. When the Sunday gathering becomes central, we have to do it well to attract people to it. To do it well requires resources, resources require more people to give and so we industrialize church like a modern factory. Then we act surprised that the institution is perfectly created to produce the product we end up with.
These are some initial ramblings that I have not thought through a whole lot so I would welcome feedback/corrections/insights. I will add some of my recommended solutions in the near future…
posted by Ecclesial Dreamer @
8/18/2003 12:41:00 PM
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Monday, August 18, 2003 |
waiting for Crowder...
When I was in San Diego earlier this year I had the opportunity to listen to David Crowder a lot. They played a new song that I just loved. I can't wait for the CD to come out. In the meantime you can hear it at the new song cafe by signing in and clicking on the "play webisode" botton. Enjoy!
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8/17/2003 11:27:00 PM
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Sunday, August 17, 2003 |
clear as mud...
I am not one to buy into conspiracy theories but I am becoming convinced that my fellow ecclesial dreamers are ruining my life. Mike Yaconelli talks about "the life ruining Jesus" and I am starting to understand what he is talking about. Since I believe that the community of faith we call the church is the body of Christ--the ongoing incarnation of Christ in the world--than it makes sense that God is using the people in my community of faith to continue ruining my life.
Consider the evidence: My friend Scott Holden recently introduced me to Alasdair MacIntyre. Introducing MacIntyre to an ecclesial dreamer is like pouring gasoline on a forest fire. If you have not read him I highly recommend it. It will take me a while to digest even the short book that Scott let me borrow to introduce this great thinker to me. I am hoping to post some on this in the near future. Since Scott is more knowledge and familiar with MacIntyre maybe I will post some of his thoughts here.
Next, I was listening to Jason Clarks talk about Pete Wards book, Liquid Church. I have not read this book yet but I really like Pete Ward. Jason's talk on this book was interesting and challenged my thinking. After reading MacIntyre I think I have some points where I would disagree with some of the comments Jason made in the talk. I have a lot of thinking to do on this before I post though. In the meantime, swing over to Jason's site and download his discussion.
So basically what I am saying is that right now I am clear as mud. God is using my friends to ruin my life and I do not know how I can ever thank them. More later...
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8/17/2003 08:40:00 PM
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Pleasant surprise...
As an amateur musician, a fan of various genres of music and a spiritual pilgrim I was very intrigued by the title of the new book from RelavantBooks -- Spiritual Journeys: How Faith Has Influenced 12 Music Icons. Even though I had read a previous book from the publisher (Walk On: The Spiritual Journey Of U2) and liked it very much I approached this book with some reservations. Too often books with this subject matter tend to use the stars of the music industry as propaganda for a not-so-subtle, evangelistic message. However, this book blew me away and left me pleasantly surprised. There are no hidden agendas here. The authors (there are more than one, making the book read like a discussion between friends) claim to show how faith influenced these artist and that is exactly what they do.
So how has faith influenced them? The answers may surprise you. While you expect musicians like Bono to be here, the inclusions of greats like Johnny Cash, Moby, Lenny Kravitz and Lauren Hill make this book instantly multifaceted. The book is well researched digging up rare interviews and supplementary documentation to illustrate what we all intuitively know. Spiritual Journeys are not always clean cut, tourist itineraries put together by AAA. They are more often messy, unpredictable works in progress. I like that the authors did not try to arrive at a spiritual "destination" but let the artist stories unfold as they happened. They are not repackaging the debates about contemporary Christian music artists or trying to label anyone or figure out which side of spiritual fence they are on. They simply tell the stories in a way that illustrates the deep connection with the artists and their sometimes enigmatic faith.
I am sure that there are many faithful who will be disappointed that we can not easily take the artist from this book and make them the next spokespeople for our particular brand of faith. But for those looking for a deeper understanding to the music of these "icons" and how spirituality and art continue to intersect this is a great read.
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8/15/2003 06:50:00 AM
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Friday, August 15, 2003 |
traveling mercies...
here is a great site for those of you who travel a lot . Mail2web lets you check your email from any PC in the world without signing up for anything. You only need your email account and password. YOu can also forward, reply or compose new email. Pretty cool.
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8/14/2003 05:33:00 PM
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Thursday, August 14, 2003 |
moving beyond the worship service...
My friend, Dan Danforth, pointed me towrds this article,. I am amazed at how many good things there are in the world wide web. Thanks Dan!
posted by Ecclesial Dreamer @
8/14/2003 07:08:00 AM
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Standing in the shadows of bad evangelicalism...
many of you know that I have a day job working for the Denver Department of Human Services. All in all it is an OK place to work. one of the things I find fascinating about this place is that they have all these special interest groups for the employees. We have a Black coalition, an Hispanic coalition, a gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender resource group and various professional and union groups.
About a year ago the the various faithful of DDHS decided to start a Christian coalition that is simply called the Christian fellowship. They host lunch time Bible studies and do other things that I am not to familiar with because I do not go to any of them. Over the last two days they have been showing a movie titled God on Trial for lunch. It is billed as "a hard hitting evangelical movie with an ending 'kick' that will set you back in your seat" Based on the picture on the flyer, this is one of those movies from the low budget 70's christian genre. As I was looking at the flyer, I found myself getting embarressed and hoping nobody would associate this movie with me. Why would people carrying the name of Christ choose to show this lame, out-dated movie as an evangelistic tool? What kind of message will this send? That Christians were way behind the cultural curve in the 70s and have not moved much since then? Maybe I am being to harsh. For all I know the movie is worthy of an Academy Award. I'll never know because I don't intend to watch it.
Truth is I may not have reacted so strongly if I had not recently read this great article about the Christian sub-culture. It is written by an editor of GQ magazine and makes some great observations about "evangelistic tools" like this movie. After reading the article and seeing this movie advertised as evangelism at my place of employment I am more convinced than ever that we have got to find a better way to present the good news. Any thoughts?
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8/13/2003 09:00:00 AM
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Wednesday, August 13, 2003 |
Thanks...
I am not sure that I am the better of the two of us, but I think when you get us both together we are a good combination. I too have enjoyed our 11 years together and look forward to what God has in store for us!
I don't think I could make James look bad in this setting. He can run circles around me. He is very much the bookworm, writing, thinker type and I am the practical, somewhat spontaneous, only reads magazines type. So, it is not that my thoughts are better it is just that they are coming from a different angle. I am always saying to him that "I may be slow but eventually I get there" because he has thought out the situation every way possible and I often just go in and wait to see what will happen and then adjust as needed.
So, anyway, that is just a little bit about some of the differences you will get between James and I. I know that many of you have gotten used to the way he writes so I didn't want to throw you off too bad if I chime in here or there. James and I have had many adventures together as we follow Christ the best we can. Often times we fail people but thankfully God is gracious and we are still here trying to share our lives with others so that they might understand a little bit more about Christ and eventually follow him too. I think James and I are getting ready to enter a new chapter in this Christ following book and I am looking forward to what God has in store for us and our kids.
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8/12/2003 05:13:00 PM
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Tuesday, August 12, 2003 |
the better half...
I have added my wife, Janell, to my blog. I could not be an ecclesial dreamer without her. She has been my best friend for a very long time and we celebrated our 11th anniversary this year. She has given me more joy in those 11 years than most men could experience in 11 lifetimes. I do not know if she will post anything or not because she will not want to make me look bad by comparison. I hope she will though, because she has a lot of good things to share.
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8/11/2003 07:13:00 PM
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Monday, August 11, 2003 |
Global community...
I found a cool website that I you can customize to display times in any city around the world. So now if I see someone pop up in my Instant messager I can see what time it is where they live. Check out my custom clock.
I would love to pull together an IM session with all of us Colorado ecclesial dreamers and anyone else who is interested. (I use MSN instant messenger)
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8/09/2003 04:30:00 PM
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Saturday, August 09, 2003 |
F'N Quiet...
I have posted earlier in this blog (April 4, 2003) about a thing that the youth group of our church hosts every month called Friday Night Loud--a.k.a. F'N Loud. The basic idea is that we open up our church for various local youth bands to come and play. Last night was the fourth time in 5 months we have done this. Last night was an acoustic night that was billed as F'N Quiet. Like I said in the previous post, the fact that God is in this is very obvious to me. We had a slightly smaller crowd last night than previous nights but it was truly incredible. I would like to talk about some of the people that God is using to make F'N loud happen.
First, there is Chris Shroeger. Chris pretty much is the promoter who makes it all come together. He contacts the bands and sets up the line up each night. He makes fliers and canvases the neighborhood with them. He is a great, hard working guy who gives 110% every time. He is also very creative. He has great relationships with all of the bands and all the kids respect him. He will soon be leaving us to do an internship with Disney in Florida.
Next is Nick Savino. Nick is a singer in one of the bands that has played at each F'N Loud. Not only is he talented, he is a great person. He has been a great role model to all the people who come to the show. He is always quick to pump up the other bands and thank all those who make the events possible. He has offered to help with the stuff Chris did in his absence.
Then there are all the guys who make up the local (right here in Parker) band, Whitlock. I do not remember all their names but this is a great crew. The two front guys are named Matt and Brian and they are great. Because they are popular here in Parker they bring a lot of area kids to the show.
I should also mention the guys from the band, Barefoote Mackenzee. The rhythm guitar/lead vocalist is Andrew and he is very good. All of the musicians and bands are really good but I like the style of these kids the best. They have a harmonica/guitar player and a sax player named Justin who is really good. They have played the last two shows and I have loved them both times.
All in all, last nights acoustic show has been my favorite one so far. The atmosphere was quieter and the audience seemed to connect with the musicians in a very genuine way. I got to talk to several of the band members and some of their parents who came to check out the show. I had a nice short conversation with Brian from Whitlock about how the art of music is a creative tool that points to The Creator. He was tracking with that idea. We talked about how to communicate that idea to all the people who come out to F'N Loud and he had some really good insights. He said if we had someone who was 20 saying that kind of stuff the kids would love it but he did not know any 20 year olds who were that brave. He brought this whole evangelism down to one thing--bravery.
It reminded me of some stuff I have been writing about the Lewis and Clark expedition and what a great metaphor that is for the emerging church. I have always wanted to write something about church that uses the same title of the biography of the Lewis and Clark adventure, "Undaunted Courage". So while no sermon or altar call was made last night there was some great creativity, some genuine community and some small pockets of meaningful communication. God was at work. I could feel it. Maybe we should just call it F'N Church. Wouldn't it be great to hear a bunch of young, suburban kids telling everyone, "I love to go to F'N church! I would go every week if I could."
Dare to dream...
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8/09/2003 03:51:00 PM
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T.G.I.F. (and no meetings!!)
This week is the first week in a very, very long time where I did not attend one meeting at my church. A whole week with not one church meeting. I actually ate dinner with my wife every night. We went to dinner with friends on Tuesday and had some people to the house on Wednesday. We hung out in the front yard with neighbors more than once. This was a great week. It is truly amazing to think about all the really important stuff that gets away from us if we invest too much time in the busy-ness of church. Why do we let this kind of stuff get so out of balance?
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8/08/2003 10:32:00 AM
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Friday, August 08, 2003 |
Following through conflict…
The dictionary defines:
con•flict n.
1. A state of open, often prolonged fighting; a battle or war.
2. A state of disharmony between incompatible or antithetical persons, ideas, or interests; a clash.
3. Psychology. A psychic struggle, often unconscious, resulting from the opposition or simultaneous functioning of mutually exclusive impulses, desires, or tendencies.
4. Opposition between characters or forces in a work of drama or fiction, especially opposition that motivates or shapes the action of the plot.
This is a strong word. It leads me to believe that forces, people or ideas that are in conflict will not be able to reconcile. The fight needs to continue until one side wins and the other is defeated. So imagine my surprise when I read in Robert E. Webbers book, The Younger Evangelicals the following:
"Right now these two paradigms—the older evangelicalism built around twentieth-cetury culture and the evangelicalism being formed around the twenty-first century—are in conflict. This clash is birthing a new set of leaders—the younger evangelicals." (page 14)
If you would have asked me even as recently as 6 months ago if I agreed with this assessment I would have been unsure. But now I feel like I am involved in the conflict and so I would answer much differently and more concretely. It is like the difference between being "aware" of conflict in Africa and being "involved" in the conflict in Africa. When you are detached or removed from the conflict, even though we know better, it doesn’t carry as much weight. I long to see a revolutionary (in that it revolves around the center, which is Christ, as He moves through history) church that stewards the faith once and for all delivered to the saints and willingly passes the baton to the next generations. I desire to experience the continuity of the faith in my own history. The idea that this continuity could be broken by conflict with the previous generation of evangelicals breaks my heart.
I consider myself one of these younger evangelicals, as described in Webber’s book. I hang around with younger evangelicals right here in the Denver area. I travel to gather with other younger evangelicals from around the country/world at various conventions or meetings sponsored by organizations like Emergent. I read blogs (listed at the left) and correspond with other younger evangelicals from around the world who fuel my passion to follow Christ in a brave way. These people sharing their lives and thoughts with me are making me a better follower and providing encouragement and accountability to my ecclesial dream. In a very real way they are my community of faith and I belong with them.
But I am currently attending a church that is primarily made up of and led by the “other” paradigm. As I struggle through what that means for my next steps I am beginning to realize that this really is a conflict. (if you are not a younger evangelical stuck in an older paradigm church you may not understand that) The way the “other” paradigm is structured is making it very difficult to follow my calling as a younger evangelical. If I stay there it will most certainly lead to conflict for the whole community. But leaving does not eliminate the conflict. It feels like no matter how hard I try to follow my calling those from the "other" paradigm see it as "divisive" or interpret my choices in a judgmental way ("right" or "wrong"). From my perspective I want to be encouraged and supported by them as I follow where God is leading me and to stay reconciled to this community. But because of the different ways of thinking about and doing church I am not sure this conflict can or will end that well.
So maybe conflict is too strong a word. As I continue to follow Christ as a younger evangelical I will let you know what I think about that. Meanwhile if anyone out there has some wisdom and/or experience in this, I would love to hear from you. Is this a conflict? Can it end gracefully? Are continuity and reconciliation possible?
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8/07/2003 11:26:00 AM
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Thursday, August 07, 2003 |
October Emergent Gathering In New Mexico...
I am feeling called to attend this gathering the 20-23 of October near Santa Fe. Anyone else interested in making this trek. Check out Emergent's Web Site for more details and let me know if you are interested.
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8/04/2003 11:50:00 PM
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Monday, August 04, 2003 |
Shall We Gather At The River...
Tomorrow night, Janell and I are meeting Scott and Emily for dinner, drinks and ecclesial dreaming at the Cool River Cafe. I can't wait.
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8/04/2003 11:47:00 PM
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